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i believe in paul ryan and mitt romney. and i think steve israel will find out that republicans hold the house quite soundly, defeating democrats. >> shannon: we will find out, one month from today. thank you for your time today. >> you bet. >> reporter: >> shannon: pastors across the country are sounding off on moral, social and political issues today, part of pulpit freedom sunday. it could be coming to a church near you. we will talk about it and wais at stake, right after the break. [ thunder crashes ] [ female announcer ] some people like to pretend a flood could never happen to them. and that their homeowners insurance protects them. [ thunder crashes ] it doesn't. stop pretending. only flood insurance covers floods. ♪ visit floodsmart.gov/pretend to learn your risk. [ male announcer ] jill and her mouth have lived a great life. but she has some dental issues she's not happy about. so i introduced jill to crest pro-health for life. selected for people over 50. pro-health for life is a toothpaste that defends against
i believe in paul ryan and mitt romney. and i think steve israel will find out that republicans hold the house quite soundly, defeating democrats. >> shannon: we will find out, one month from today. thank you for your time today. >> you bet. >> reporter: >> shannon: pastors across the country are sounding off on moral, social and political issues today, part of pulpit freedom sunday. it could be coming to a church near you. we will talk about it and wais at stake, right...
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whereas romney/ryan want to get rid of that. and in manufacturing you've seen for the first time really in years, a significant increase in manufacturing jobs. ronnellny wants to bring back the outsourcing loophole. in fact his largest donor gets a $2.3 billion tax cut under the romney plan. part of that is that he makes 90% of his money overseas, when you think about the auto recovery, romney and obama were in two different positions. when you look at outsourcing, they're in different positions. in manufacturing. for a lot of parts of virginia that don't get quite as much attention. central and southern virginia, the fact that the president has stood up for american manufacturing has been significant. i think you'll see the gender gap. i think you'll see middle class feeling like romney just wants to rig the system a little too much for the high end. >> tom perriello, former democratic congressman, thank you. we want to note that we did invite a surrogate from mitt romney's campaign to join us later. but no one was available on
whereas romney/ryan want to get rid of that. and in manufacturing you've seen for the first time really in years, a significant increase in manufacturing jobs. ronnellny wants to bring back the outsourcing loophole. in fact his largest donor gets a $2.3 billion tax cut under the romney plan. part of that is that he makes 90% of his money overseas, when you think about the auto recovery, romney and obama were in two different positions. when you look at outsourcing, they're in different...
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>> i see from the romney and ryan point of view, something heather announced about the lt. colonel being subpoenaed to come to congress and testify, this is the achilles' heel of obama and biden. they are in charge. they screwed up. clearly. if i were ryan and his people, i open up this debate this week and go right after biden, mr. foreign policy expert, and say you guys were asleep at switch. you had the president going off to fundraisers in las vegas while the people were being dragged through the streets of benghazi. i would tick off biden. because that is when he is liable to lose it. >>gregg: the "washington post" is calling it benghazi-gate. the president already is after more than 40 months of unemployment above 8 percent now is touting the down tick to 7.8 percent. is that just a digit or is it meaningful? will people vote based on that? >> i have to say this, we have two reports, two surveys, one with 100,000 losses of new jobs, one had 800,000 new jobs, we cannot fine the 700,000. there was an important article, the number of people unemployed or underemployed is
>> i see from the romney and ryan point of view, something heather announced about the lt. colonel being subpoenaed to come to congress and testify, this is the achilles' heel of obama and biden. they are in charge. they screwed up. clearly. if i were ryan and his people, i open up this debate this week and go right after biden, mr. foreign policy expert, and say you guys were asleep at switch. you had the president going off to fundraisers in las vegas while the people were being dragged...
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won't the democrats try to draw him out saying this is when a romney-ryan ticket is about in. >> absolutely. joe biden for as placid as obama was, he is going to throw red meat at ryan. and it's going to be also about foreign policy which ryan has little experience. >> and then medicare. >> by the end of the debate, the world will assume that paul ryan is spending the $716 billion in medicare money. it will not continue to be obama. >> biden also has a propensity for, shall we say, putting his foot in his snout. >> that's what makes it such great television. you don't know what he's going to say. >> great television. >> okay. >> this is civic, okay? >> political game. this is for television. >> and there is such an incredible contrast in age. ryan looks like he is 25. biden looks like he is three times 25. it's going to be interesting from that standpoint as well. >> we will be breaking it down for you next sunday. >> that's right. >>> but coming up, we'll have one last look at some of this morning's top stories. >> including a missing wallet. a postal carrier's lost and found story. we'll
won't the democrats try to draw him out saying this is when a romney-ryan ticket is about in. >> absolutely. joe biden for as placid as obama was, he is going to throw red meat at ryan. and it's going to be also about foreign policy which ryan has little experience. >> and then medicare. >> by the end of the debate, the world will assume that paul ryan is spending the $716 billion in medicare money. it will not continue to be obama. >> biden also has a propensity for,...
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will they paint romney and ryan as extremists? or will they paint them as flip-floppers, because they are not the same thing and if he goes after ryan and say, you are an extremist and after romney and say you don't know what you think and those things are mutually exclusive. >> chris: the bottom line and you hinted at it is, does it really matter? as entertaining as it may be, do people vote based on what the vice presidential candidates say and i think we all agree that most -- the most one-sided debate as lloyd bentsen and dan quayle and, brit hume you were on the podium, that night. and -- rather, the panel, and, that was the one, we are seeing the moment, where bentsen says to dan quayle, you are no jack kennedy and, you hear the roar from the crowd but he was running with dukakis and we didn't end up with him. >> i remember after the debate was over i asked the question of dan quayle, if something happened to the president, god forbid what would be the first thing you'd do and he fumbled the question and, lloyd bentsen had a
will they paint romney and ryan as extremists? or will they paint them as flip-floppers, because they are not the same thing and if he goes after ryan and say, you are an extremist and after romney and say you don't know what you think and those things are mutually exclusive. >> chris: the bottom line and you hinted at it is, does it really matter? as entertaining as it may be, do people vote based on what the vice presidential candidates say and i think we all agree that most -- the most...
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not to ryan but to romney. if i were biden i would take all 45 minutes of the 90 minutes i have to attack romney both on the record and romney was wrong about the $5 trillion tax cut and doesn't do anything for the unsinced. uninsured. and raise things that obama didn't raise for whatever reason. the 47%. george w. bush was not mentioned in the debate wednesday night. bain capital. it will be a big assault both personal and in policy terms on mitt romney from joe biden. puts paul ryan in a tricky position. he would like to go on the offensive. he is good at prosecuting that record, the debt and obama care and all that but he also has to defend romney and got to lot let biden undercut what romney did on wednesday night. >> geraldo: i read something that you wrote that suggested that romney won by being moral not just matter of fact about the issues of the economy for example. what did you mean? >> there was a key moment about 25 minutes in. they had the exchange on taxes for the first 20-25 minutes and romney di
not to ryan but to romney. if i were biden i would take all 45 minutes of the 90 minutes i have to attack romney both on the record and romney was wrong about the $5 trillion tax cut and doesn't do anything for the unsinced. uninsured. and raise things that obama didn't raise for whatever reason. the 47%. george w. bush was not mentioned in the debate wednesday night. bain capital. it will be a big assault both personal and in policy terms on mitt romney from joe biden. puts paul ryan in a...
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the ryan plan is automatically going to be in the romney plan. >> schieffer: well, mitt romney has said it won't be. >> exactly. but think a lot of what joe biden is going to say is whatever paul ryan has ever said is going to be what mitt romney said. that's not the case. >> i still think you have an incredible economic debate to have in this country. i think there are great issues to talk about and i think this will continue in the vice presidential debate. >> schieffer: not to mention the job numbers. >> reporter: exactly. the word "fiscal cliff" was never mentioned in the first debate as will likely come up, i sawcial in the vice presidential debate. and you do have an important argument to have, which is is the future of this country and the size and spending of government. and you have two dip candidates proposalsing vastly different things. tax reform has to be done because of this fiscal cliff. mitt romney is proposing not only keeping the bush tax cuts but a 20% reduction for everyone. president obama is proposing to get rid of the bush tax cuts for the wealthiest americans but
the ryan plan is automatically going to be in the romney plan. >> schieffer: well, mitt romney has said it won't be. >> exactly. but think a lot of what joe biden is going to say is whatever paul ryan has ever said is going to be what mitt romney said. that's not the case. >> i still think you have an incredible economic debate to have in this country. i think there are great issues to talk about and i think this will continue in the vice presidential debate. >>...
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won't the democrats try to draw him out saying this is what romney-ryan tech set about? >> absolutely. joe biden foras asplasid as obama was the other night, biden will be as tough. he's going to throw out red meat and go after ryan on his stance on abortion, women's issues. he's going to hit the social issues and it's going to be about foreign policy, which ryan has very, very limited experience. >> and medicare. i imagine he will try to deliver what obama didn't, the message that, in their opinion, the republicans are going to mess with medicare, right? >> by the end of the debate, the the world will assume that paul rysunis spending the $716 million of medicare money. it won't continue to be obama and biden will make sure that happens. >> but he has a propensity for putting his foot in his mouth? >> that is what makes it great television. you don't know what is going to happen or he's going to say. >> great television. okay. [ laughter ] this is civics, okay in. >> for political views, it's great television. >> and this is such an incredible contrast in age. >> yeah.
won't the democrats try to draw him out saying this is what romney-ryan tech set about? >> absolutely. joe biden foras asplasid as obama was the other night, biden will be as tough. he's going to throw out red meat and go after ryan on his stance on abortion, women's issues. he's going to hit the social issues and it's going to be about foreign policy, which ryan has very, very limited experience. >> and medicare. i imagine he will try to deliver what obama didn't, the message that,...
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i think when you have paul ryan is not going to be able to do what mitt romney did. he was the chairman of the budget committee for goodness sakes, it would be an affront to him to have make up all of these numbers and so i -- i think you'll kind of have the opposite of what we had before. where president obama got a little wonky and mitt romney got pretty aggressive and high style. joe biden is going to have the style in this debate and ryan is going to be the wonk and the question is whether eel tell the truth on the numbers. >> let me switch gear as little bit to a different performance this week that got a lot of attention. i had a chance to sit down with a familiar face to this program, arnold schwarzenegger, former governor of california, a high-profile figure in the republican party but recent revelations about his personal conduct have hurt his reputation to say the very least. you have noticed he's been out this week with a new book called total recall. my unbelievably true story. in which he details what he says are his successes and his failures. governor
i think when you have paul ryan is not going to be able to do what mitt romney did. he was the chairman of the budget committee for goodness sakes, it would be an affront to him to have make up all of these numbers and so i -- i think you'll kind of have the opposite of what we had before. where president obama got a little wonky and mitt romney got pretty aggressive and high style. joe biden is going to have the style in this debate and ryan is going to be the wonk and the question is whether...
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governor romney chose paul ryan as the running mate on august 11th. before august 11th if you took a look at the generic congressional ballot polling in the country, it was pretty much tied. it was, mow, i talked about that still wind when you or in the 20-yard line. we prn the still wind. they were tight. maybe up one. after august 11th when governor romney decided to double down on the republican plan to fund tax cuts for millionaires and big oil companies, the generics began to spread. instead of being in a neutral environment, we were up one, two and the. then when todd akin in late august expressed those horrific thoughts and not what he said that bothered me but what he thought about some legitimacy to forms of rape, it widen even more then disclosures of the republican romping in the sea, the generics spread even more. independent voters were reminded how extreme the people are and that these people have priorities that would, in pack, end their medicare, in order to fun the tax cuts for millionaires. the more republican priorities are articula
governor romney chose paul ryan as the running mate on august 11th. before august 11th if you took a look at the generic congressional ballot polling in the country, it was pretty much tied. it was, mow, i talked about that still wind when you or in the 20-yard line. we prn the still wind. they were tight. maybe up one. after august 11th when governor romney decided to double down on the republican plan to fund tax cuts for millionaires and big oil companies, the generics began to spread....
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i think joe biden is going to wrap mitt romney and paul ryan as tightly together as possible and just sort of drop the ryan plan on top it to try to implode the pair. they think that is good ground. as far as paul ryan is concerned, i think he is kind a policy wonk. his problem is he's a numbers guy, and he's up against frankly and i think both runs previous head of the republican party and michael nutter both said that joe biden is a very accessible politician. he tends to put things the way that people get it immediately. he's just got that kind of manner about him. i think that's the -- in some ways, you know, we look at the substance and style. as far as style is concerned, i think paul ryan's fear here is he's too much of a wonk sxort of throwing out numbers. you know, you can expect joe biden to say, gee, i took a look at your numbers and here's what they would do to george next door. ryan has to be careful about that kind of debate. >> the next presidential debate, you're moderating october 16th. likely these candidates, president obama, mitt romney are looking over the tapes,
i think joe biden is going to wrap mitt romney and paul ryan as tightly together as possible and just sort of drop the ryan plan on top it to try to implode the pair. they think that is good ground. as far as paul ryan is concerned, i think he is kind a policy wonk. his problem is he's a numbers guy, and he's up against frankly and i think both runs previous head of the republican party and michael nutter both said that joe biden is a very accessible politician. he tends to put things the way...
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i think when you have -- paul ryan is not going to be able to do what mitt romney did. he was the chairman of the budget committee, for goodness sakes. it would be an affront to him to make up all of these numbers. >> let me switch to a different performance this week that got a lot of attention. i had the chance to sit down with a familiar face on this program, arnold schwarzenegger, former governor of california. recent revelations about his personal conduct have hurt his reputation, to say the very least. you have noticed he's been out this week with a new book called "total recall:my unbelievable true story" in which he details what he says are his successes and his failures. governor schwarzenegger, whack welcome back to "meet the press" meet. . >> thank you. it's good to be back again. >> let's start with politics. you're still a high profile voice in the republican party. what do you make of the race? can governor romney win this election? >> i think that the race is wide open. and i think that there's a lot of things that change all the time especially close to
i think when you have -- paul ryan is not going to be able to do what mitt romney did. he was the chairman of the budget committee, for goodness sakes. it would be an affront to him to make up all of these numbers. >> let me switch to a different performance this week that got a lot of attention. i had the chance to sit down with a familiar face on this program, arnold schwarzenegger, former governor of california. recent revelations about his personal conduct have hurt his reputation, to...
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governor romney chose paul ryan as his running mate on august 11. . before that, if you look at the polling in the country, it was pretty much tied. generics were really tight. maybe up one could after august 11, when governor romney decided to double down on the republican plan to and medicare to fund tax cuts for millionaires and big oil companies, it began to spread. instead of being in a neutral environment, we were up 1, 2 and 3. and then when todd aitken express' those horrific fox -- expressed those for fifth thoughts about rape, it raised it even more. and then independent voters in particular were reminded how extreme these people are and that these people have priorities that would in fact and in medicare in order to fund tax cuts for millionaires. the more republican ideas art articulated, the better we do in the polls. if the generics keep spreading, five or six or more, then we win back the house. there is a direct correlation between the generic pooling and our ability to win back the house. right now, it is going in the right direction.
governor romney chose paul ryan as his running mate on august 11. . before that, if you look at the polling in the country, it was pretty much tied. generics were really tight. maybe up one could after august 11, when governor romney decided to double down on the republican plan to and medicare to fund tax cuts for millionaires and big oil companies, it began to spread. instead of being in a neutral environment, we were up 1, 2 and 3. and then when todd aitken express' those horrific fox --...
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and the problem, you talked about the chameleon nature of mitt romney, paul ryan is not one. he is going to have to hold to these very tough principles. so you're going to have to hear ryan explain his medicare/medicaid policy. and what he has going for him, he didn't seem to do much of a dent, at all. we'll see how the polls go this week. and he is going, president obama, monday, to california for caesar chavez. he signed an executive order to say this is where chavez is buried. it is going to be part of our national park service. >> where -- >> yeah, it is la paz, and he will be there with the widow of caesar cheavez, the widow. and mitt romney screwed up, when he was a let hard on the mexican-american vote. you see president obama making a big play with ken salazar, the hispanic, and the whole clan. watch for the sound bite to be very moving. >> do you think -- >> paul ryan has -- is an intellect, and joe biden is a consummate pro. so i think you will see a really spirited one. so you will have joe biden throwing punches and paul ryan punching back. and in fact, if you're
and the problem, you talked about the chameleon nature of mitt romney, paul ryan is not one. he is going to have to hold to these very tough principles. so you're going to have to hear ryan explain his medicare/medicaid policy. and what he has going for him, he didn't seem to do much of a dent, at all. we'll see how the polls go this week. and he is going, president obama, monday, to california for caesar chavez. he signed an executive order to say this is where chavez is buried. it is going to...
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the issues, and governor romney has embraced at least everything i can see. i don't want to say anything in the debate that's not completely accurate. >> reporter: so what are the candidates' biggest strengths? analysts say for ryan it's his ability to speak in detail about policy issues. for biden, his ease in talking about how national policies affect ordinary people. here is congressman ryan's take on biden. >> he's fast on the cuff, he's a witty guy, he knows who he is and he's been doing this for 40 years. you're not going to rattle joe biden. joe is very good on the attack. joe is very good at trying to confuse the issues. >> reporter: when it comes to advice for the candidates? >> try to be comfortable in your skin, be rested, look into the camera, smile from time to time. >> reporter: and a little humor always helps. >> i can see my wife and i think she's thinking, gee, i wish you would go out into the private sector. i'm goi >> i'm going to try to help you do that, joe. >> athena jones. >> vice president biden and congressman paul ryan get their turn
the issues, and governor romney has embraced at least everything i can see. i don't want to say anything in the debate that's not completely accurate. >> reporter: so what are the candidates' biggest strengths? analysts say for ryan it's his ability to speak in detail about policy issues. for biden, his ease in talking about how national policies affect ordinary people. here is congressman ryan's take on biden. >> he's fast on the cuff, he's a witty guy, he knows who he is and he's...
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then of course we have paul ryan and joe biden in their debate then the president and mitt romney the week after. >> historically when you look at these numbers, do you ever see a bounce as a result of the vice presidential debates. in joe biden vs. sarah palin. did it do anything. >> no but the mccain obama debates didn't change anything. wet the wall street meltdown before the debates. that was the defining event of the race and nothing moved after that. president obama was steadily ahead the last 40 days. vice presidential debates typically don't have much impact. the obama campaign you hope for a story line to get you away from talking about first presidential debate. >> scott rasmussen, we appreciate you giving us the first bite at that apple. thanks so much for showing us and obviously we'll talk to you a lot in the next 30 days. >> i look forward to it. >> he paid the ultimate sacrifice for our freedom. that fallen navy seal being honored. >> a democratic lawmaker won't say the pledge of allegiance. she considers it a prayer. we'll talk to the politician to witnessed this ahead
then of course we have paul ryan and joe biden in their debate then the president and mitt romney the week after. >> historically when you look at these numbers, do you ever see a bounce as a result of the vice presidential debates. in joe biden vs. sarah palin. did it do anything. >> no but the mccain obama debates didn't change anything. wet the wall street meltdown before the debates. that was the defining event of the race and nothing moved after that. president obama was...
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romney is 42. age is a funny thing when it comes to politics. the question is will biden look like yesterday's news or full of wisdom? will ryan appear as a youth or full of new energy? this is incredible? we can expect ryan to spit out statistic after statistic, one after another and biden is going to need÷ó"5÷ to call ryan on questionable data. i tell you, for his part, biden has to do a much better job defending the administration's record over the past four years. something ryan will be sure to attack. this thursday night get ready to rumble. it will be very different. stark contrast. sit back and enjoy this. whatever else, that vp is the next in line. >> you're popping popcorn. i want to ask you quickly. we saw the clip earlier from big bird responding to the fact that mitt romney called him out as one of the reasons that we have a federal deficit. i would assume republican or democrat you think you can't attack big bird and think you'll look good afterward. >> this is going to come down to a gaffe. if romney says let's go ahead and stop
romney is 42. age is a funny thing when it comes to politics. the question is will biden look like yesterday's news or full of wisdom? will ryan appear as a youth or full of new energy? this is incredible? we can expect ryan to spit out statistic after statistic, one after another and biden is going to need÷ó"5÷ to call ryan on questionable data. i tell you, for his part, biden has to do a much better job defending the administration's record over the past four years. something ryan...
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and romney has embraced from everything that i have seen. i do not want to see that everything is completely accurate. >> what do they think of strength. >> for paul brien it is his ability to speak in details. and for national policies how he can. >> he is fast on his cuffed he knows what he is doing and he is being too in this for 40 years. you are not going to rattle him. he is good on the attack and confusing the issues. >> when it comes to advice try to be comfortable, be rested and look into the camera and a smile from time to time the court >> and a little humor. >> i think my wife is thinking i wish that we could go out with the president. athena jones, cnn, washington. >> and this coming thursday is the vice presidential debate with the joe biden and hopeful, paul ryan will have their first debate. we will have october 11th go to our new channel. comcast 193 for the latest news, weather and traffic updates and to watch all the presidential speeches. uninterrupted. and on digital 4.2. coming up on kron 4 news weekend the presidential
and romney has embraced from everything that i have seen. i do not want to see that everything is completely accurate. >> what do they think of strength. >> for paul brien it is his ability to speak in details. and for national policies how he can. >> he is fast on his cuffed he knows what he is doing and he is being too in this for 40 years. you are not going to rattle him. he is good on the attack and confusing the issues. >> when it comes to advice try to be...
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foreign policy will be in the spotlight tomorrow when republican challenger mitt romney gives what's being billed as a major speech at the virginia military institute. but the highlight of the week will be the vice presidential debate. vice president joe biden and congressman paul ryan face-off thursday in their only showdown in danville, kentucky. >> reporter: i'm poppy harlow in new york. wall street gears up for earnings season this week. lots of big companies reporting, including aluminum jind al gian and jpmorgan case. did earnings decline in the third quarter. also ahead this week, the latest inflation data and a look at consumer sentiment. we'll track all that and the week's business news on cnn money. >> reporter: i'm "showbiz tonight's" a.j. hammer. here is what we're watching. we're speaking with sophie tweed simmons, the daughter of the kiss front man gene simmons and model shannon tweed, but now she's making a name for herself as a standout on "the k367"x" factor." >>> and in china the first ever giant robot exhibit is going on. besides talking to visitors, some of the ro
foreign policy will be in the spotlight tomorrow when republican challenger mitt romney gives what's being billed as a major speech at the virginia military institute. but the highlight of the week will be the vice presidential debate. vice president joe biden and congressman paul ryan face-off thursday in their only showdown in danville, kentucky. >> reporter: i'm poppy harlow in new york. wall street gears up for earnings season this week. lots of big companies reporting, including...
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romney has talked about. it was not very detailed. this seems to be a trend. what it did do -- if you extrapolate it how much money we are talking about, you are looking at cutting education by 20%. when it comes to community colleges, we are seeing great work done out there all over the country because we have the opportunity to train people for jobs that exist right now. one thing i suspect we probably agree on is getting businesses to work with community colleges. >> do you agree? >> let me finish my point. they are partnering -- they are designing training programs and people who are going through them know there is a job waiting for them if they complete it. there requires some federal support. let me say one final example. when it comes to making college affordable, whether it is two- year or four-year, one thing i did is we were spending $60 million to banks and lenders as middlemen for the student loan program, even though they were guaranteed. there was no risk for the banks and lenders, but they were taking billions out of the system. why not cut out
romney has talked about. it was not very detailed. this seems to be a trend. what it did do -- if you extrapolate it how much money we are talking about, you are looking at cutting education by 20%. when it comes to community colleges, we are seeing great work done out there all over the country because we have the opportunity to train people for jobs that exist right now. one thing i suspect we probably agree on is getting businesses to work with community colleges. >> do you agree?...
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romney did do a good job of making the case for his policies. >> his plan does. >> well, as we heard the running mates will be debating in prime time this week vice president joe biden and ryan facing off on for wren and domestic policy. lisa argen is here now and we have a lifting of the overcast. you see the sun on the bay bridge back there. >> yeah. not quite beach record but santa cruz nice and sunny with temperatures in the mid-50s. that water temperature about 54 to 55....